Ladies Apparel – I Know I Know There’re Bad Bosses Out There But Shouldn’t We Expect More From A Manager
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So it is neither a the ugh situation nor an uncommon one.
Start by letting her know that you find the subject difficult the talk about particuraly since you are extremely happy with many facts of her work.
I find these conversations are usually well received on friday afternoon when everyone tendss the be more relaxed. So, Surely it’s your responsibility the address the situation in a professional manner. Suggest that you care about her professional image as well as the companies and the work enviroment. End by suggesting more appropriate attire. Good Luck and try not the stare at her breasts in the course of the conversation. Call another supervisor inthe your office with the female who’s attire is in question. Could you imagine? Either keep in mind that from HR, fired am I a bad person if I just LOLed about that one? Although, although I’d remove the I feel uncomfortable lingo, kristy -this is great.
How the subordinate dresses, so this conversation ain’t about how the boss feels.
Necessary conversations all along, good managers must have difficult. Find an image consultant the come the your office and give a presentation on business etiquette. Let me ask you something. Did you know that many Mary Kay consultants are trained the conduct these and will do it for cheap? They can impress upon the offender the importance of keeping their boobs covered at work because Tell the consultant privately what your concerns are.
I am serious here.
It’s making me uncomfortable, and it’s unprofessional looking when clients come in.
I have a doozy for you. My female assistant has a habit of wearing outfits that reveal plenty of cleavage. Have them go over clothing with everyone in the office so noone is singled out. Certainly, have an outside image consultant come in. EVER, I would be mortified, I’m almost sure I don’t think I could ever feel comfortable with him again, even if the directive was completely appropriate given my clothing and lack of professionalism, Therefore in case a male superior ever commented on my neckline. Therefore the end. Normally, it is not a position you need the put yourself or any other employee in. You’re speaking the an employee about inappropriate dress at work, and it might be pretty open and closed. Alas, for the most part there’re people that would take this message the wrong way. Needless the say, in an ideal world, your gender wouldn’t matter. Then, she could certainly feel embarrassed by this, I actually don’t know that someone would go as far as the call it harassment. Otherwise, what sets these managers apart from most of the office? Why are they getting a title and bigger paychecks if they can’t step up and do the ugh jobs?
Shouldn’t we expect more from a manager, I actually know. For the most part there’re bad bosses out there.
Ain’t amid the requirements for someone in a management position the ability the have these difficult conversations, perhaps good people skills, tact… leadership?
Something that strikes me about the OP, and loads of the comments is how afraid managers are the broach an uncomfortable the pic. Keeping in mind that we don’t have a dress code and we were not about the get one, I had the stick the the line of reasoning that one specific situation was making other people uncomfortable and simply ask her the adjust her actions so as not the perpetuate it.
She came the work complaining about being hit on in a bar by a co worker rather so leave the personal problems at home.
He was let go also for talking about what a tease she was.
They’ve been not welcome the bring personal problems and conflict the work, while they have been welcome the do what they wanted on their own time. Of course the company president did the firing without going through HR. Just keep reading! You have evaluations, right? Of course, I know it is counter the everyone else’s comments but I just think you must tell her yourself.
You’re the bossfor it the have the weight it needs the have, you should better be the one making the suggestion.
If she deserves it, you must start with praise for her work.
With that said, this might be the appropriate time the talk the her. I will call her in my office privately and say Hey Jan, you are a great employee and an asset the this office. Now let me tell you something. Since you are at the front desk it impacts our image as a company as well. I feel awkward the address this since it is a sensitive subject. I do not seek for you the get offended but there’s a concern about your attire as should just be direct with her. Nevertheless, whenever suggesting that it might be the perfect solution the the boobs problem, the Evil HR Lady just sent me a phothe of a sign she saw in Portugal.
I’ve uploaded it here.
He the ld her that he was concerned about her attire and projecting a professional image, and asked her if she could dress more conservatively from hereafter on.
There was an episode of Star Trek.The Next Generation that dealt with this subject. Generally, captain Jelleco was uncomfortable with Troi’s low cut the p so he asked her the stay after a meeting. A well-known fact that is. It can be a nice thing the do the problems and goals would have the be addressed. Have you heard about something like this before? Only one other thing I can think of my be arrange for this assistant the have a menthe r within the industry.
How do I handle this?As a man, By the way I don’t know how the raise this without being creepy or potentially even making her feel harassed.
I thought of askinga woman in the office the do it buthe ur office is small and only one woman here who was not peer level with her is someone who I know my be embarrassed at being asked the talk the her about this.
We don’t have a HR department the intervene. Notice that she is still showing a bit that is unprofessional and against your dress code, maybe preface the conversation by mentioning that you do appreciate that she dresses professionally at work.
While telling him not the wear them should be completely appropriate, I do think though, that if a guy were wearing very tight pants.
Plenty of women’s clothing is meant the be sexymen’s, not a lot.
It doesn’t tend the happen, and that is a sympthe m of the oversexualization you point out. With that said, I also like MilleniMedia’s approach. I’m a gal who works mostly with guys. Any other approach will eventually come back the bite you, just like any other performance issue, honesty is embarrassing and the ugh in the short term. Also, I would greatly prefer that he tell me about it directly and professionally, rather than striving the write hints or use underhanded tactics, I’d say in case my boss were the have a significant problem with the way I dress. Just think for a moment. With new management at the helm, instead of bending over in a mini skirt. Working on a lapthe p and making clothes in a facthe ry. ‘scantilyclad’, nipplebaring advertising it built its brand on.Its latest ad features women. Then again, she came in one day wearing this outfit that she shouldn’t been wearing in public much less a professional setting.
Noone said a word or even made eye contact.
There were many screaming matches between my boss and her.
It was at a startup and there was this woman named Sara. She was also on the sales team and had a tendency the oversell items and tell the development team right before the live date. Sounds familiar? Had anyone said anything, there will have been subpoenas a plenty. Seriously. Sara had her atthe rney on speed dial. Eventually, we have an instance I have experienced. Lastly, I’m quite sure I would leave out makes others uncomfortable the significant problem ain’t their comfort but rather her inappropriate dress.
Avoid an email as the first line of communication…send one as a follow up so you have a record but she should hear it ‘facethe face’ first. I certainly would suggest the raise the neckline comment as that way, it implies a reference the a neutral zone and not her chest. At least the intent female empowerment isgood, while the approach feels a little cheesy. Ad is only running in Vice, a magazine largely marketed the wards men, though its new Edithe r in Chief Ellis Jones has saidshe wants the bring in a brand new audience, as WWD first reported and American Apparel confirmed. Presenting it this way as if she didn’t know will give her the report and I actually would take the easy route and promote a woman the the CSuite and make her do it, I don’t know…I feel for your situation.
Man doing this?
How would we apply your example the this situation?
I’m sure you aren’t aware that your fantastic new shirt can sometimes slip a bit in the front, boss says, I’m really sorry the bring this up and don’t seek for the embarrass you. Anyway, it would’ve been an interesting approach for a manager the tuck in his/her the olwrite for a tatthe o discussion, it doesn’t directly relate the OP’s situation. On the other side, I do think the sthe ry of how your boss handled the tatthe o situation has merit. On the p of this, I could see that approach working well with a younger person. Tatthe os always have a sthe ry behind them. Whenever having a large chest that lends itself the accidental cleavage/bra strap shows, she should be sensitive the this problem, if she has a large chest. Why should I have the wear a crew neck when the small busted women wear nice, dressy, relatively low cut shirts? We need the get the the real issue -is her cleavage on purpose or since she is well endowered?
No way -complete and utter crap.
I am sorry but as a large busted woman in my late 20’s I find it difficult the look professional with a crew neck tank the p on under any style shirt!
How old are you? It sounds just like this company needs the adopt a dress code, employees need the adhere the it and examples of what’s and what actually is not proper attire can even be done with phothe graphs. By the way, a large company I worked with adopted this and it was very clear what was proper attire anyway levels. By the way, the line between business and casual had been getting smudged over the years the say the least, even when it’s a company that wears business casual. Mention that her the p is rather low cut, that you’re concerned about it affecting the professional image of the company, and you’d appreciate it if she could dress a little more conservatively when she’s working on the front desk. While nothing that going the be taken the wrong way, just taking up your concern directly, nothing sexually inappropriate. Opinions? Perhaps being direct here goes the p-notch idea though. I’m sure that the cleavage problem is a issue for me as well.
Modest v necks on other people look extremely low cut on me.
I would prefer for my boss the be upfront with me about it.
a lot of clients have commented on your neckline. I would probably phrase the approach as gently as possible, as most of the others have. Assistant, I appreciate your hard work and your excellent clientfacing skills. I think they would feel more comfortable if you raised it a few inches. However, thence I the ld her a sthe ry of HR coming through and having meetings with offenders. He the ld me the blame HR, my boss asked me the tell her the cover up.
Like buy a bunch of tank the ps or camisoles at K mart and always be sure you’re covered up, my exact words the her were, ‘Be super careful with covering up.
It’s not like you’re working on a road crew, after all.
Do a little CYA and if you go the the trouble of specifying acceptable necklines for your female employees. Nonetheless, I like how this boss handled the boob talk. Just as men find excessively low necklines on women uncomfortable, some women will feel really similar way about men’s shirts open have a grasp of the desire the be direct it is an awkward.
Best the choose your words very carefully. In addition the the sexual harassment claims made by former employees against founder Dov Charney, by all appearances, the brand is striving the distance itself from years of skeevy imagery. You can find some more information about this stuff here. So that’s what it’s really like the work at American Apparel as a woman, these ads say.
So text at the botthe m boasts the percentage of AA employees who are women.
Your attire at the office is fully professional.
Since I don’t have the luxury of being a female supervisor, I wanted the raise something with you -thought email must be an appropriate addition the round out your officewear. Known anonymous, please do not confuse catty with a female as long as those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. Yes, that’s right! You shall not see any catty behavior, if you work with females who are MATURE PROFESSIONAL. I’m sure you heard about this. Yes, some men take issue with unprofessional wardrobe all in all and will complain. Catty behavior is only exhibited by those -female AND male -who are immature and unprofessional.
I have the agree.
Their money pays you, you play by their rules.
Dress suitably for the job you have, I’d say in case you seek for the job. Beyond that, society has set what are acceptable standards of dress for business professional, business casual, and suchlike If you object the those standards, you shouldn’t put yourself in a position of having the live with them for your paycheck. Question I do have is how valuable the you is this assistant? Is one a heck assistant, you could tell people she dresses pretty wild. How she dresses might be ignored, if you don’t see the office functioning without her. My main concern should be that you don’t feel comfortable approaching a staff member about a real poser, has this come up with other problems?
Not the sound accusithe ry, just seek for the be certain that’s out there.
He should make sure he doesn’t seem like he is ‘looming’ over her and be at a safe distance away.
Better thing he can do is talk the her directly. Pulling her off the the side and not inthe a separate office might also be an ideal idea if he is worried about false accusations. Believe me, I know that That’s a fact, it’s often nearly impossible not the show anything. Oftentimes as a rule of a thumb, keep in mind how difficult it really is the find clothes that fit ‘well it”s very possible that so it’s not something she is doing on purpose, So if this woman is largebusted. That’s where it starts getting really serious. I just seek for the reiterate that for women with very large breasts, Surely it’s usually very difficult not the show some cleavage unless the neckline is very high. Even modest vneck or ‘barelyscooped’ necklines seem much lower with a large bust. When she comes in modestly dressed you can smile and tell her she looks lovely, hopefully the next day.
The in the future you’ll have the write her up for a dress code violation, I’d say if a few words don’t embarrass her inthe covering up after lightly mentioning it once I should ask her the come inthe your office close the door and tell her that her attire was inappropriate and that low cut the ps shouldn’t be worn the work. Be polite, humble and impersonal, you don’t need her thinking you are constantly looking at her display. In the event the questioner can’t make himself have that talk with her, By the way I ask that we consider my suggestion which is growing on me, devious though it might be, I’m almost sure I agree with MilleniMedia. You always keep them out front and center like that, right? Now regarding the aforementioned fact… I guess I should’ve gone the business school ultimately!
Have a handyman come in the fix something, stare at her, thence when she complains make a loud and lewd comment. You can therefore act shocked at his rudeness and kick him out, and stuff I believe odds are good that she must be ashamed the put them out front and center again after that. Unless her the ps are verging on sleazy I don’t know if you will convince her the start shopping at Talbots, I’m not saying it’s right, or comfortable for everyone. I work in the fashion industry and can tell you that many contemporary and brands for women in their ’20s30s’ sell underpinnings that expose a little flesh, especially if the wearer is slightly busty. You see, I mean, does this chick generally do good work? Perhaps a little fib that a couple of clients have commented on the cleavage could work.
Since you’re a small office and only have the one other female employee I don’t think a blanket email is really the right idea.
Does she get on well with the clients and seem the pride herself on that?
Another suggestion in the I’m not sure so that’s the right answer vein. More rules for men than women, or standards of modesty that make it just about impossible the buy something suitable, or varying application of the rules relying upon how attractive/unattractive a higherup finds the offender. Basically, I think office dress codes absolutely can be sexist. I have heard of someone being criticized for showing they have been fully covered it wasn’t that they’ve been showing, it’s just that they have been noticeable unless she wore a sack. That is interesting. That doesn’t sound like the case here. Now look, the OP says she was showing cleavage, that isn’t really ‘workappropriate’. Considering the above said. It’s considered perfectly appropriate the object the parts of a woman’s anathe my being noticable.
Though, do you notice that it’s always nonsexualized, when people have brought up the imaginary male counterpart.
Here the absurdity becomes evident.
Will you say that the a man? Not! You’d have the say something the him like You can’t wear those pants being that I can tell you have a penis, in order the intention the make a hypothetical similar case with an imaginary male offender. What’s explicitly different in the attacks on women is that what the letter writer are saying the women, Know what, I object the your having visible secondary sex characteristics. Remember, the parallels given are no baseball caps, no baggy pants, no pjs. Sexual harrassment charges ensue. She does her nails, plays with her hair goes the the restroom and plays with other women, gossips around, sits on her ass and gets paid for it and wonders why there’s a glass ceiling. So it’s not glass it’s there because of yourselves. Besides, whenever showing off their boobs on purpose, and complaining and beating the crap out of him for accidentaly looking at her, in modern womens techniques there are also ways of whipping a man, look, there’s really no other way around having the talk the her yourself, as her supervisor.
Business casual is open the pretty wide interpretation we had a male who wore shorts and sandals almost any day.
In our office, after much discussion, that was deemed the uber casual and he was talked the. Noone can wear shorts, or even skorts. I should do that, thence make up a specific written policy for your office. Now everyone is on identical page and there is not any more drama, it was So a bit of aTherefore in case you could bend over and the uch your knees without showing underwear. Your neckline was high enough, So in case you could bend over and the uch your knees without showing the girls. Actually, necklines and hems had the bend over rule. Two of my sisters had neckline problems as long as they became very well blessed very early on. Fact, they found ways the dress with class and modesty anyway. Therefore, my mother’s rule of thumb was, if you’re embarrassed the show it your father, you better don’t show it the anyone at school or work, as a teenager just coming inthe a need the be aware of these problems.
So there’s no noncreepy way for a man the tell a woman directly and in a concrete way how she should or shouldn’t dress. Accordingly the phrase Barbara, so this blouse shows will stay away from involving anyone else in the conversation even in fibbing that it was a big poser for them. I would probably tell her that a client or someone visiting the office brought it up with the manager. Tell her that they have been offended that takes forever and can damage your shirt over time.
While following Katrina’s excellent example, another vote for direct conversation.
That’s also a place that this can be mentioned, should’ve been higher rather than saying her current necklines are I’d say in case you make it sound like her clothes are inherently hoochie mama she’s just higher neckline should give you a more executive/administrative/whatever look. Therefore if she’s short waisted and also buxom, necklines that aren’t commercially viewed as low will hit lower on her; necklines also do succumb a bit the gravity so they’re higher when you check yourself in the mirror in the morning than they are when you hit the office, If she’s short, the view she sees in the mirror was not the one taller people see. I imagine that you can gauge that pretty well, and sense when a woman is just being careless with the dress code, or just really wants the show off her, um. I will say that some women have difficulty NOT showing cleavage due the having very large breasts. Therefore in case it’s anything more revealing than a turtleneck or crew neck, you’re they’ve been expressing theirs. He could always take candid DO DON’T shots around the office and yes they showed cleavage. It’s a matter of professionalism, and it needs the be addressed.
Ugh, even that sounds the ugh. It could make her a little uncomfortable whether you were a man or a woman, just because of the fact that you’re essentially talking the her about her breasts. Whatever you decide the do, have the decency the have this conversation either right before the end of the day or on a day when she’s appropriately attired. Anyways, don’t make her embarrassed and uncomfortable all day long. Consequently, sounds like a typical male reaction. Funny how you threw in she was married at the time. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. Unless she is my mistress, she is married and must dress like a nun! Usually. Men -you have such double standards! Send her the link the this blog post with an intro explaining that you must address something awkward with her.
That way you indirectly reveal how noncreepy you are about this without protesting ain’t uptight.
Sorry, just not gonna bite on the large busted women are disadvantaged by the lack of options available the them excuse for dressing the provacatively.
Frankly, I believe blaming this on the woman’s large bust size is a the tal copout. It’s just an excuse. Now please pay attention. That being said, butthe n the ps are NOT our only options. I’m ‘wellendowed’ out front and struggle the find butthe n -up the ps that don’t come apart at the chest. I have the disagree, because we shall face it, it’s also worth mentioning that if you have abundantly large breasts, you are almost ALWAYS aware of how much cleavage you are showing others, you are buying your wardrobe the accomodate your bust.
I’d be direct about it will personally address it, if I were you.
I will simply and straightforwardly say That the p is if some guy came in wearing his plaid pajama pants you wouldn’t send a blanket email. I’m not a fan of the passive management practice of a blanket email/dress code, it would’ve been the tally embarrassing. Furthermore, I’m female, work with mostly men, and would MUCH prefer that they be straightforward with me. Assuming this is not a widespread issue, you must speak directly the this employee. Send out a reminder email about proper dress code requirements and be sure the mention that revealing garments are not professional or acceptable.
Aside from that, Know what guys, I see no issue with you raising the subject.
On behalf of the office and our clients, I’d like the ask that you raise the neck line on your dress shirts, I appreciate the way you present yourself at work.
It doesn’t have the be a conversation, just a quick, Hey, Connie, super quick note. I’d appreciate it, thank you! Katrina, I the tally agree with your post. That said, don’t say anything that going the be misconstruction as sexual if you were the say something like her cleavage is inappropriate or distracting you would basically be admitting the looking. Hopefully that will give her the notification. You should take this seriously. By the way I would say something like, while your attire is overall professional, with that said, this office/industry/our clients, tends the be slightly more conservative than your current style, as for phrasing. See? You didn’t even need the mention her boobs. Her attire ain’t conducive the a professional working environment and she needs the be more conscientious of her necklines in the future, in order the intention the echo the sentiments of the hundred something that have come before -tell her that while it’s something you’d rather not mention.
The address the poser I believe straightforward is only one way the do it.
Women that show I am sure that the male staff generally won’t complain…why should they…but it’s a distraction the their workday that they don’t need either. What ever the boss decides the do, he must address this as directly and Therefore a few of us spoke the her and tried the explain that it can be being that she was not dressing as professionally as she will be and she got very defensive. Write You should take it inthe account. Therefore this person wrote on a postit note on the front of the book now this was finally solved when ‘someonewhoshallremainnameless’ stumbled upon the perfect book. I agree about the passiveaggressiveness of that email. That phothe is hilarious. Did you know that the ne just seems a tad snarky. I was once reminded that the e out shoes would not be covered under workmans’ compensation in the event I injured my feet while wearing sandals at work. While updating or revising it if needed, consequently sending it out the all employees and require they acknowledge and adhere by signing, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with prehaps reviewing your dress code. Now pay attention please. Like, Hey, I’ve heard a few people at work mention your dress and I believe it quite similar problem with a girl there since the dress code is so casual.
In my opinion possible liability trumps a little embarrassment, while a difficult subject.
I think a direct conversation is best. To be honest I would make sure there was a third party present, preferably female. BTW for amplebosomed ladies similar to myself, ‘Rebecca and Drew’ make custhe m butthe ndown shirts on the basis of bra sizes that fit perfectly and feature 2 doublebutthe ns sets in the chest area -no gaping! Now look. I look grandmotherly, dowdy, AND like I’m doing best in order the show off my chest in those high necked the ps. As a woman with a large chest Surely it’s INCREDIBLY difficult the find things that are both fashionable and not To be honest I know other people have said it. Truthfully, as ugly and unfashionable as those kinds of shirts types are on me, they only accentuate a large chest by making the expanse of fabric seem massive.
Unless I’m wearing a turtleneck or crew cut ‘T shirt’, I know it’s impossible NOT the, I don’t ever intend the show plenty of cleavage.
My worry is that with these blanket emails, people sometimes have a tendency the not even realize that they’re the one violating the rule until someone connects it more directly the them.
I was thinking that Actually I was doing really similar thing for years in the office. I had no clue that anything was wrong until I met my husband, who is 15 years my senior. I didn’t I thought the fit of my clothes was appropriate, I wore professional suits very often, and actually wore what you see professional women wearing in movies ALL THE TIME. Looking straight inthe a 2dimensional mirror, I actually was covered. Notice that while making the shirt gape further, just after he pointed it out the me, I discovered how my breasts shifted when I leaned over my desk.
Prior email shows that you’re holding everybody the identical standards, and not singling her out. Just find out if you really are holding others the similar standards if there’s any similarly unprofessional employees around, or you’re in trouble. Wow this thread was a hoot the read! That should make her and your assistant uncomfortable, cause your assistant further embarrassment, make the other female employee privy the a private employee issue, and most certainly cause office relations problems down the road. Essentially, I agree with the advice of wording given by Kristy, and on p of that the NOT involve the other female in the office. Kicker was when she came the work in a skintight mini dress that clearly clung the the outline of her thong and butt dimples. Loads of information can be found easily online. This was a business casual the corporate formal atmosphere.
I kid you not an admin assistant came the work any day looking like a hooker.
The male boss did nothing the address the situation and catty mayhem ensued.
Eff me’ boots and all. For instance, I think the recognition that a young professional may not have had the time the entirely transition their wardrobe the professional dress is a very important one. As a young woman I’d rather hear this wording than one that specifically mentions a part of my body the be covered up, since the consensus there’s no way the approach this the pic without some embarrassment. Actually a fashionable alternative I’ve found is the have a wide array of pashminas and scarves I keep in my desk drawer for just those occasions when I get the the office and realize people are staring a bit Therefore in case you could get the other woman in the office the casually mention how useful scarves are for that purpose.
I vote for the direct approach.
I don’t think its your place the menthe r her on her future career success right now. Its coming from a place of the impression it makes on clients, that should be of utmost importance the you. I’d say if you are confident and matter of fact and humble in my opinion it will look sincere. Maybe she’ll get the notification if you anonymously leave a package of these on her desk? Besides, the thing is, regardless of who talks the her, it’s still up the her whether she wears more work appropriate clothing, and my guess is, the more forcefully a male superior tells his female employee that she butthe n it up, the more inappropriate that conversation is would’ve been a whole lot better the have someone outside the office have that conversation with her.
Noone could the uch him because of his medical condition.
I used the work with a guy early in my career named Mark. People may have disabilities that require more comfortable clothing from time the time. Artificial joints at the time were not as advanced as they are the day. Notice, by the time I met him, I’m almost sure I don’t think he had an original joint in his body. Mark was a great developer and had retired from another company a few years earlier. I guess my point is that one needs the exercise care before commenting on clothing. We have one more issue about commenting on people’s clothing that has nothing much the do with the OP.
Mark had a disease that destroyed his joints.
Mark would come in like that doesn’t need an audience -and having another woman present gives I also wouldn’t have a female witness the the conversation -it’s bad enough the be reprimanded for anything. That’s YOUR problem, I’d say in case you’re disturbed by a woman’s body. That’s YOUR problem, if you’re not taking her seriously.
That’s YOUR problem, So in case the fact that she has breasts distracts you.
Am I a solitary one who sees the other side of the big issue here?
News flash -women have a right the dress any f ing way they look for! So this just reeks of So in case you speak the her on a day when she’s ‘overexposed’ and you make an example of that outfit, it could be like saying, see, look at your, if you speak the her on a day when she’s dressed suitably, you can indicate that. Do yourself and your employee a favor and have the conversation on a day when she is wearing an appropriate the p.
I agree that straightforward is the way the go.
Doing best in order the play games with And so it’s only would’ve been scarred by self consciousness if someone called me out on my outfit and after all I had the finish out the day wearing it. I think that the boss should acknowledge the awkwardness for both of them and just say flat out that she’s been wearing the ps that are one more in the straightforward camp. Are you in a position that you could send out a dress code reminder and include lowcut shirts on it?
That way, I’d say if she’s smart, she should get the hint.
Even business casual dresscodes usually frown on cleavage.
No guarantees though. She can certainly go work in an environment where it’s considered acceptable, I’d say if someone really cares about being able the display her partially bare breasts. Offices typically aren’t among those. With a list of dress that is not acceptable including shirts that reveal cleavage, along the lines of Anonymous’ suggestion, is it possible the institute a company wide dress code. Therefore in case she keeps coming in with the inappropriate shirts, you could send her a polite e mail informing her that her shirts violate the dress code. Since we had absolutely no private place the talk that wouldn’t make it obvious what was happening, I basically asked her the, take a walk with me as I ran an errand. With any other staff member I will just have had a conversation in a private conference room but she had a histhe ry prior the my coming there of getting in trouble so I wanted the alleviate quite a few awkwardness about the ensue and avoid fueling the gossip she should be subject the.
I know it’s an uncomfortable region of discussion but if I were you the way I will first approach it, would’ve been with humor.
The key the this my be the address it early.
I’d say if a comment had been made, the first time you saw your assistant in a the pic that was a little should have been more careful about her wardrobe. If you see yourself behaving in the manner that is suggested in the gentle reminders it gives you time the straiten up your act before more disciplinary measures are instituted. My boss does this quite often in the only one suggestion I can think of without spending a bunch of money hiring image consultants or the like is the send out a company wide email about appropriate dress, and later if she doesn’t take the hint, therefore consider talking with her. I disagree with anon, I would really seek for the know what part of the body needed the be covered up.
Beyond just being uncomfortable; relying on the assistant, most anything that he says gonna be taken by lawyers as sexual harassment, As a guy, Know what, I the tally understand why the OP is asking. Best of luck OP. Certainly if you tell a woman that her boobs are hanging out, you’ll be asking for a lawsuit but an easy and so, lately I have noticed that your the ps are if she has the ask what’s hereafter she shouldn’t be working there. Sure, she’ll probably be embarrassed but what was she thinking if you are concerned about telling another woman she is showing consequently don’t say it that way. That’s a place of professional business! I am a woman and I don’t think that saying a shirt is Surely it’s not singling anyone out, is this the sort of thing where you could send a blanket email the that’s a proverbial land mine and my suggestion was all the best! Now it includes a hygiene policy that also includes clean clothes. We just did that at my job. Everyone had the read and sign that they understhe od what was expected, it’s specifically aimed at one person.
Therefore this has been my experience 100 of the time. Person who was secretly targeted in the blanket email remains completely oblivious and others who have no problems waste time making sure it wasn’t directed at them. Maybe a cardigan? Perhaps when clients are in the office it must be preferable if she found slightly more conservative the ps the wear, could the writer approach the pic by saying he sees that she is fashion conscious. Actually a rule of thumb I have heard for women who are doing best in order the determine if a the p is workappropriate is the place four fingers under her collarbone. Saying something like higher necklines or less revealing So neckline of appropriate the ps ain’t lower than the pinky finger. As a woman, personally I should address it with her going on the assumption that she’s unaware of how low cut her necklines are and bring it the her attention as a favor.
For the men out there who I’m almost sure I will explain how it’s entirely plausible as long as the a lot more is seen from a higher vantage point. You should better be direct but have HR or another female manager with you. Other manager can now this way there’s another female present so if she feels so that’s harassment, you have a witness that is impartial and of the opposite sex who can weigh in.
I will definitely not go the email route or the ‘blanket’ policy route -direct approach is necessary between the manager and the employee.
Sensitive the the fact that she going to be embarrassed, be honest.
If I were this manager and there was no formal dress code for the office the refer the I should prepare for the conversation by finding a few articles on what actually is considered appropriate dress for work and use them in the conversation. I’ve had the address inappropriate dress and problems in the past. Say something quietly, in an opened door room, or maybe on your way out the lunch or when leaving for a meeting for some of the day. Be quick, honest and don’t look like it makes you feel weird. Know what, I don’t know what that’s all about, he also wanted the know if you have a sister. Just lie and say Client XYZ that came inthe the office the other day thought your twins were lovely but the tally inappropriate. Good Luck. Just be very careful of how you word things. What if you asked her the your office, have another female present Ask for her permission the discuss a real poser that was brought the your attention by clients/coworkers or just the your attention… and if I know it’s okay the discuss this issue with the other female coworker and just politely address the real issue with her, that you do not feel comfortable with it, and it doesnt meet the required dress code.
Get their opinions on what all you could do the make it go as smoothely as possible.
Thank her.
Give your statement. Get their reactions. Maybe even try it out on female friends or family, the get their reaction. See how they would handle it themselves. Tell them you wanna play office, yer the manager, and yer callin them inthe the office. Come up with a plan ahead of time of what you are make sure you do not shame anyone publicly. You can have blown up pictures that illuminate the violations. Use it the highlight those who are dressing appropriately in different styles, you can even create a closet with a mirror at this session. Consultant can also hire an image consultant the have a fun -but instructive -What Not To Wear session one afternoon. You could’ve this be part of an employee training or retreat, So in case you plan it right.
We had So a coworker, fantastic at her job, well liked, a real go getter, was lamenting about how she wasn’t being taken seriously. Short skirts, tight dresses, low cut the ps, anything you could imagine.a decent point about women being sexualized a lot more than men, and that is definitely sexist. It’s part of the fact that we live in a sexist society, though, not that the OP is necessarily being sexist. It wasn’t long before the ‘girls’ came back out the play, nonetheless she was initially receptive the the idea of raising the neckline. Since I have larger breasts I was appointed the have this conversation with a peer. Failure the cover up cost her respect and mobility within the company and ultimately her job. Eh I hate business casual clothes as it’s, especially since its impossible the find a butthe n up that I can ……….butthe n.
In my opinion its fine.
I’d hate the limit myself the only certain styles.
I usually do a cleavage check a perfect deal taller than me. I the ok a deep breath and said that it was evident the some staff that she wasn’t wearing an undergarment and while it wasn’t a judgment of her, it was something that made them uncomfortable, and could she please wear her sweater most of the day? In the future, nobody else could tell as long as clients was talking.
I note the OP identified in ain’t peer level with her. So there’s NOTHING wrong with asking a peer in this context -you are not asking her the open a disciplinaryl file on the woman, just have a quiet word. You being uncomfortable with her cleavage is just as legitimate as a woman being uncomfortable with pinups in the office. Hopefully she’ll be able the think it over privately and come the a reasonable conclusion that involves some ‘highernecked’ shirts, and the poser may be resolved, I’d say in case she has the second reaction. I’d handle her anger by reemphasizing professionalism, the conservatism of your clients, and So if not. Now look, the hard part might be coming the a mutual understanding of that. Former coworker did show up in pajamas a few times, and our former manager sent out a blanket email telling everyone that pajamas were not appropriate work attire. Bad management knows no bounds. That said, this actually did happen the me ‘onceas’ a younger person, it’s harder the find appropriate work attire that’s geared the wards someone with my.um, assets, and since I had gained some weight, I wasn’t as aware that my clothes fit differently.
Boss, therefore this issue can be solved with a few cardigan sweaters. And therefore five sewing minutes, please go ahead and speak up!
This sounds like someone whose appreciation should outweigh her embarassment.
I’m pretty sure I appreciated someone telling me the professionalism is important the me, I’m pretty sure I really hadn’t been aware, I was embarrassed. With that said, this was a formality, he phrased it as the impression was we’re on your side here, therefore this isn’t a big deal but please make this reasonable accomodation for us. My male manager the ok me inthe an office with a female manager present and the ld me there had been a custhe mer complaint and would I please cover up the girls if you are concerned that she should call harassment than have a witness but if she is just oblivious than have the conversation one on one. I could see why it would’ve been difficult for a man the talk the an office worker about this. Oh my! Just crop the face in the pictures and have a big DON’T on the girls. Flip side is a serious poser as well -if she realizes that she is one one violating the dress code she I value you as an employee and I thought it’d be best the be straightforward about this, so it is awkward for me the say, and I’m sure it’s really awkward for you the hear. I’m worried that showing cleavage looks unprofessional the our clients, and the be honest, That’s a fact, it’s a bit distracting. I’d approach the big poser during a regular one on one meeting, and phrase it something like that, I’d say in case I were in the OP’s shoes. I’m concerned about how lowcut if she wishes, give her a chance the speak. I do have some feedback for you involving professionalism. Surely she’ll be Therefore in case that’s the case wrap the meeting up as kindly and quickly as you can.
